what do we stand for?
I will make this quick, because I am tired.
Should those individuals accused of plotting the incidents collectively referred to as 9/11 be tried in civilian courts, or in military tribunals?
Why?
Do not base your answer on geography, the convenience of a military base offshore could easily be a military base near your hometown, and the significance of a trial in New York City could easily become a trial someplace else.
Is this an issue or a political football to be yelled about on the talk shows?
Please post, I will feel free to shoot your opinions down with my own version of the truth.
posted by eccentric recluse at 6:18 PM
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Let's do it in reverse... Why do YOU think it's happening ?
Interesting legal question. I never studied law, so I guess I don't have an opinion worth sharing.
But. Personally, in my personal, unprofessional and unschooled opinion, I would feel better if there was a civil trial and anyone found guilty treated exactly as a convicted mass murderer. If we are going to defend our country by dispatching our enemies, we should, as always, do it in a manner that continues to make our country worth saving.
well said Roy.
Personally, I could go either way, but the investigations have gone too long, and have involved too many civilian resources to really be legitimized in a military setting. There is also the murky issue of whether these thugs are worthy of a military trial. They are a movement to be sure, but are not a nation/state by any means, and the crimes that they are accused of are definitely civil in nature.
Right now, I think that the fuel of the debate is that there are alot of somebody wannabe's who need some air/camera time to tell us how badly the present administration is doing. The issue is noise and how to make a lot of it with the least possible cost. Saying "Obama" makes it news and therefore OK for a network to 'cover' at no cost, regardless of whether the point has any relevance or value.
When the trial starts, I hope the judge has the good sense to limit the televised press in the courtroom, just to keep the defendants as well as the neo-patriots from turning this into a circus before we hang the bastards. (Does anybody remember the Manson trials, an artist was allowed in, as well as reporters and all the notebooks and pencils that they could carry. Coverage of that sensational trial was very adequate).
Finally, I hate to say it, and I hate to be a real killjoy, or a non-patriot, but I mentioned, a couple of years ago, in this very forum, that this was never supposed to happen at all.
These guys were supposed to be shot while escaping. In Afghanistan. Before the last election.
Who screwed this up?
ER said:
"Personally, I could go either way, but the investigations have gone too long, and have involved too many civilian resources to really be legitimized in a military setting. There is also the murky issue of whether these thugs are worthy of a military trial. They are a movement to be sure, but are not a nation/state by any means, and the crimes that they are accused of are definitely civil in nature. "
TOO LONG, TOO MANY.. TOO (anything fits)..
There is little legitimacy left.. no matter how it's handled. It's been made into a ideological footbal; over and over; in every way possible; for a looooong time. Doesn't matter which side of any issue you sit.. the whole mess is a good poster for how bitterly split this country has become.. either side is willing to terribly damage the WHOLE country, to make their stand. It's a shamefeul indicator of where we are, now.
That said.. Giving the whole mess a brand new, long, drawn-out stage.. is as harmful, as it is wasteful. NOTHING will be gained by this circus.. and a lot of innocent NY-ers will have their lives disrupted.. for YEARS.
The only people who will "gain" anything from this, are those wanting to keep aspects of the Bush Administration in a critical spot-light (they'll do anything for distractions, as their policies destroy our economy). And they're willing to hurt us all, to do it.
Almost forgot... Holder's old lawyer buddies will be getting untold millions to for their part in it all.
it almost goes without saying that some lawyers, who are certainly somebody's buddies, (and probably both parties buddies, maggots sticking together and all that), are going to make money here, it happens. New Yorkers have already had their lives disrupted, I think they can see some light at the end of this particular tunnel here. Let's hope that there is not another following it.
You are right, it is a circus, and deep down, we already know how it will end. All that remains is a 'fair trial' before the hanging. I think it better that the bullshit be open and public rather than secret and buried. We will be criticized and second guessed either way, at least this way we will have stood with our principles and will have an intact finger to flip back at those who don't lke what we have done afterwards.
The folks who we'd flip at, aren't gonna be impressed that we did this in NY.. Their opinion of us will not be altered. And those on our "side", won't be put off if we do it militarily.. Like I said.. there's nothing to be gained by this circus (except for the loony-left getting some expensive satisfaction out of making it a prosecution on the Bush administration).. and more importantly, nothing would be lost, by keeping it simple and quick.
And the funny thing is.. the 'MoveOn' wahckos will actually further rile the waking conservatives, as this mess drags out. It will actually aid their ideological enemies drum up more disadain.
What's the music on here today? Surely not Hendrix . . . ? I think it must be Leo Kottke's engineer going crazy on the balance slider. Oh wow.
It is James Marshall Hendrix, who would have turned 67 this past week.
He's got the touch. A few of these musicians, when they die, you feel like you just dropped your ice cream cone on the sidewalk.
thank you anonymous, but no, I don't love you. You look a lot like somebody I know....
Happy Holidays anyway.
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